Slut walks

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Icon_missing_medium 71tammyB 3 posts

What the hell are these woman thinking a slut walk? Deffinition of a slut

            1.       a. A person, especially a woman, considered sexually promiscuous.

b. A woman prostitute.

2. A slovenly woman; a slattern.

 

Why would a mature young adult want to be recognized as this?  

Sexual activity. In a study of 700 adolescents, researchers found that “compared to families with two natural parents living in the home, adolescents from single-parent families have been found to engage in greater and earlier sexual activity.”

Source: Carol W. Metzler, et al. “The Social Context for Risky Sexual Behavior Among Adolescents,” Journal of Behavioral Medicine17 (1994).

Sexual abuse. A study of 156 victims of child sexual abuse found that the majority of the children came from disrupted or single-parent homes; only 31 percent of the children lived with both biological parents. Although stepfamilies make up only about 10 percent of all families, 27 percent of the abused children lived with either a stepfather or the mother’s boyfriend.

Source: Beverly Gomes-Schwartz, Jonathan Horowitz, and Albert P. Cardarelli, “Child Sexual Abuse Victims and Their Treatment,” U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention.

63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes (Source: U.S. D.H.H.S., Bureau of the Census)

90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes

85% of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes (Source: Center for Disease Control)

80% of rapists motivated with displaced anger come from fatherless homes (Source: Criminal Justice & Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26, 1978.)

71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes (Source: National Principals Association Report on the State of High Schools.)

75% of all adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes (Source: Rainbows for all God`s Children.)

70% of juveniles in state-operated institutions come from fatherless homes (Source: U.S. Dept. of Justice, Special Report, Sept 1988)

 

85% of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home (Source: Fulton Co. Georgia jail populations, Texas Dept. of Corrections 1992)

In the local HS here in Port Jervis Ny at the end of last year had over 35 pregnant girls in the school. there are girls here who have had babies in the middleschool. So Dr Lisa please explain your rationality of these facts and how you can go against facts!!!!!

 
Icon_missing_medium clifford63 2 posts

? All those facts point to the need for:

1)Better social programs for youth (most connected to low-income because, in addition to the facts you’re giving, most young single mothers live at, or below, the poverty line-and have a real difficult or impossible time getting financially stable). It also means there needs to be strong male role models in those children’s lives, such as teachers, coaches, etc. Right now we’re crapping out on the nation’s kids by cutting all sorts of programs and teachers.

2)Better sexual health education in school (where, yes, you can tell them abstinence is a good, viable choice).  I have no issue scaring kids with the truth of stds, pregnancies, and the aftermath of what happens when those things happen.  But that being said, if kids are going to do it, I’d rather they find safER means, and know that nothing is full-proof. There should be equal emphasis on males and females about what responsibilities they share (paternity tests can mean some seriously garnished wages, boys).

3)Understand that a lot of what turns these kids into troubled adults can actually be prevented by reaching them at a younger age and giving them hope-not many of them can have that when they’re growing up in poverty, and once they’re in the system they end up burdening the tax payers anyhow, either on welfare or prison.  Personally, I’d rather see them given birth control and the knowledge to use it wisely and chance to make it through those hormone-angst years than pay to put them in prison cells. I waited until I was well past 18 to be sexually active, and I thank parents who gave me books on health for that. I’m not everyone else, though, and I don’t feel right judging others who didn’t have that knowledge at that age.

As for any facts that simply because there’s a single parent raising a child will mean that child will be troubled later on, I think that’s what Dr. Lisa was speaking out against. A lot of these statistics can equally be linked to poverty, a history of abuse (potentially the reason why there’s only one parent around) or exploitation and drug abuse. I’m all for team parenting, but, let’s face it, way back the early Catholic Church had to decree marriages because many men were walking away from their responsibilities, and many continue to do so today.  I’d rather give individuals a little more education and a lot more personal power.

And as for the slut walk-the police officer wrongly said the victim was provoked the attacker because of the way she was dressed. Women were simply making a statement that it didn’t matter what she was wearing, the attack shouldn’t have happened. After being called all sorts of names from slut, whore, bitch, I don’t see what’s wrong with women taking those negative terms and taking control of their own situations. It wasn’t that long ago that men were allowed to beat their wives, and even with weapons in their hands.  We don’t need to go back that way, and there’s nothing wrong with reminding people of that.

 
Icon_missing_medium kumie06 2 posts

I don’t think these walks are suppose to say these girl want to be called sluts. i think these walks are to make a point that no matter what you wear, as “inviting” as anyone may feel it is. NO means NO!! Several of my friends were raped in high school not because of what they wore or because they were out late at night. its because there are guys out there who will not take no for an answer no matter how loud or forceful you say it.

so if the statistics say children from one parent homes are more likey to engage in problematic behavior, why are we  not talking about the parent who stepped out? why are we not talking about the parent who chose not to be there for the child. life is not perfect. trust me, i wish it was. but the parent who is left behind to be the caregiver, mother, father, breadwinner and whatever else life throws at them, should NOT be told they are giving their child a disadvantage on life. they are trying! yes… trying! no one is perfect. I never had a step-father cuz my mom was sexually assualt by her step-fathers family member. she chose to keep her house safe for me!! she chose to struggle and i turned out pretty good i might say. Recent college grad. 

and for all these stats stating about how bad someone can be if they grow up in a single parent home. STOP focusing on statistics and start doing change. Go volunteer. become a mentor. teach someone to read,  write, do math cuz most people in prison can not do any of those. stop bashing what is wrong with the system and do your part to FIX it!! 

 
Icon_missing_medium 71tammyB 3 posts

Dear Kumie06, Yes I understand the rape issue, My daughter was raped, and the prosecuter never pressed charges cause she said its a he said she said issue and if she lost he could press charges on her and we would be fined! Tell me how are justice system in this country isnt bias? The point I am making is yes no means no but why would you call it a slut walk especially about rape? Is this something that we should be portraying in this day and age? I am sorry if you do not agree with my reasoning but in no way would I ever support soemthing called a slut walk especially a walk to protest rape! In no way would I ever want my 16 year old daughter to be portrayed in that way. This Country we live in today has changed to the point where i find it embarrasing how our govt treats its people and what is acceptable. And for you to assume that i dont do my part in society i am afraid you are sadly mistaken! My family does volunteer my children are involved in their community and they belong to youth groups that are involved in their community! And no I WILL NOT STOP POSTING FACTS! Why Why should I they are the truth and they should speak the truth if the doctors are going to ignore the facts and say things are not true your right i will speak out!!!!! Cause the world should know them! Why does our Country send money everywhere except back to its own people? Not one child in this country should be hungry when they go to bed not one child should be with out health care!

 
Icon_missing_medium 71tammyB 3 posts

Dear cliff

Yes I agree there needs to be better programs for the youth, after all i live in a town where the rec dept focus on adults and not the children and its freaking SAD! My husband is disabled and i know what it means to go from being a household that earns 60k a year to earning 20k a year! The cost of living has not gone up for these people for 3 years now.Our presciption costs have gone up almost 300% tell me how thats right? our presription coverage went from 10$ a month to $58 a month our copays went from $1 and $3 to 3& 7. Not that thats a lot of money but when your on a doz meds a month it ads up. Also I am home taking care of my husband and my children because can not afford to have job and be there for my family, cause with my husbands illness i cant rely on him. I want a better life for my children more than anything! so I am home so that they have the support they need to do better in schoool and stay active with school sports and rec sports because I know that its the only way my children will be able to get scholorships so they can go to school and have it be affordable! My daughter wants to be a doctor! An education to be a doctor can run upto $440.000 I agree with the better sex ed statement, Its a sad day when your children go to school and there is 50 girls that are pregnent from the ages of 13-18 yrs of age! This is why i find a “Slut walk” an inappropriate name! I live in a town that has horse tracks and hud housing! I have seen over 200 homes condemned in the next town over the past 5 years, this area is a poor area with a lot of crime gangs and hard core drugs! And No i dont always agree with the facts but thats what they are FACTS! I cant change them and the reason i posted them is Cause Lisa was insistant that they were not true, Again its what the mnedia wants you to think not whats always true! And thats not what i heard i heard him say to her if she didnt dress like a slut she would not have been raped, Yes this officer should be repramanded but he is not the reason this girl was raped! But lets look at it if there is 2 pretty girls standing in front of a man which one is more secually arrousing the girl with her belly showing her ass cheeks hanging out her shorts and lots of clevabe or a girl in jeans and t shirt where her belly is covered? I believe this is the point that this officer was trying to make.

 
Icon_missing_medium clifford63 2 posts

 

“I’m not trying to persuade people to call themselves ‘sluts’ but I will work to persuade them that this word is severely damaging in how it’s used to degrade people but can be unpacked to be seen as less about you when you’re called a ‘slut’ and more about them and widespread discriminatory ideas when they hurl it at you…”

slutwalktoronto.com

TORONTO, CANADA…just to be clear. You don’t have to like the connotation, I think that’s the point-I don’t know anyone who likes to be called awful names.  But, you can read why they called the walk what they did on their official website. I’m very sorry to hear something so awful has affected your family, and I do hope you are all dealing. There was a recent Newsweek poll ranking the best countries for women…the United States was 8th, Canada was 3rd, behind Iceland and Sweden.  I agree there’s a lot lacking in equal rights for many people (and the better ranking countries provide more comprehensive medical care for their populations).  As for what causes someone to rape someone, I don’t know the reasons, but I’ve read several articles which contend that it has far more to do with control than what a victim looks like.  This has been used as a battle tactic, recently throughout war-torn Africa, and it happens all over the world to all people in all walks of life.  I get what you, and the officer was saying, but I think it’s coming out wrong, and can give the impression to others that the victim might be blamed.  I certainly know parents don’t want their children looking or acting in ways that could cause them harm, and can totally understand why they put limits on how they dress.  I think it would better accepted by children to talk about having respect for themselves, and to be as smart as possible about making good choices.  Although nothing is 100% safe in life, by learning to look out for themselves it might reduce the chances of something happening.  But what someone wears shouldn’t mean they deserve to be harmed (I know an 80 year-old who wore 30 year-old polyester who was raped) and it definitely means that if they are harmed they should have the law on their side to make sure it doesn’t happen again.

I find the word fact so interesting, I googled it quickly:

factNoun/fakt/

1. A thing that is indisputably the case.
2. Information used as evidence or as part of a report or news article.
 
Ok. According to your facts certain children who grow up in single family households face higher risks of trouble in their life. You’ve quoted studies that have happened quite a while ago now, and keep in mind the even higher divorce rate, and the high number of never married couples, and whether or not they’ve stayed together, I admit I know nothing about those statistics.  While I understand the facts you’ve listed, and why you’ve listed them, I believe it’s only one portion of circumstances that contribute to problems faced by youth.  For instance, 70% of juveniles in institutions might not have had fathers, but what portion of the juvenile population in the United States is in state-operated institutions?  How many of them grew up in poverty? Are there more of one ethnic population than others, and can that be traced back to other environmental factors?  Compare that to how many children are in a single parent household in the entire country, and what % overall is that?  After years of schooling I’ve learned a good deal of facts can easily be manipulated to make whatever points a person wants to make.  I get the impression we’re actually talking about the same needs for the same things, but we’re coming at it a different way. So don’t take it as anything else but a comment on what you’ve written-I just personally feel there’s more to the story-in particular what this show bothered to say in 30 seconds which instead could have been properly covered in an entire hour.  I have no faith in media like this, and feel very saddened this sort of thing is considered highly educational by some.  I actually only went to this website to tell them so. There’s a lot to these problems, and it’s a shame there aren’t reports that really go into the issues in a more comprehensive way-maybe there would be more solutions if they did.
 
038_medium cdelorie 1 post

I agree with Jillian.  As a girl/woman you may be indirectly asking for trouble by dressing in skimpy clothes.  When I was a teenager I dressed with mini skirts and little tight shirts and I was attacked and another time solicited by a man who thought I was a prostitute…ouch.  I took a look at my wardrobe and dressed more conservative and immediately noticed the change.

 
Icon_missing_medium Plainview 3 posts

I believe that the “Slut Walk” was in response to a comment made by a police officer on a campus in Ontario, Canada.  The officer told some women that he encountered, something along the lines of if they didn’t want to be raped then they shouldn’t dress like sluts.  I can imagine that these women were not wearing garter belts and bras if they were walking around a university campus. So what did this officer consider “slutty” about what they were wearing?   What is “slutty” to one person is not to another. As well, do we really want to give rapists an excuse for attacking women? “I attacked her cause she was wearing a bikini.” So all women should stop wearing bikini’s?  Taht is why this walk was started.  Women do not want to be told what to wear in order to avoid being raped.  They want ment to learn to respect them and their boundaries and to learn that “no” means “no” – nothing else.

This coming from a police officer is also offensive since where are women expected to go to repoirt a rape?  If the general attitude at the police station is “you asked for it because …” then women are going to continue to keep it to themselves and rapists are going to continue to rape.





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