Frozen Shoulder

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S1548461750_30123525_8998_medium dhelenamarie 17 posts

Good morning… I was a bit put off while watching the doctors this morning.  One woman had frozen shoulder so instantly the doctors gives her a shot of cortizone.  I’m guessing he didn’t warn her what cortizone does to the body, but thats a side note since she’s not taking reagular doses of the steriods.  The problem was that they went right from shot to physical therapy to surgery.  It has been well known and documented that the inflammation involved in frozen shoulder does NOT respond to the typical treatments however MASSAGE THERAPISTS are trained in reducing the inflammation and increasing the range of motion (ROM) in the arm around the rotator cuff muscles.  This is a much better treatment than straight into surgery.  It blows my mind that this so called top doctors didn’t even think to suggest this.

Please doctors… think outside the box of drugs and surgery. 

 

d helena marie

 
Icon_missing_medium BlackBeltMom 1 post

You really need to know the source of the Frozen shoulder before assuming what will work. I have had a frozen shoulder. It wasn’t until during my surgery, that the true cause was known. Although I did have a small tear in the rotator cuff, even the x-rays and MRIs, did not show that the cause was that I have what is called an os acromiale, my shoulder bones never fused as a child. A resulting bone spur was pushing down on the bursa. The supr was shaved down and I am pain free. I don’t think that Massage therapy would have been wise. It would have further enflamed the shoulder and caused more damage.

 
S1548461750_30123525_8998_medium dhelenamarie 17 posts

That is my entire point.  We need to know the source and jumping to surgery to figure out the issue is not always the best move.  Also, with all due respect, os acromiale is not frozen shoulder so treating it as such with any particular modality would have proven futile.  

 

d helena marie

 
Icon_missing_medium breindel 2 posts

I had a frozen sholder a few years ago resulting from tendinitis. I’m surprised the physical therapist only demonstrated a tens treatment. i had 4months of 2-3 times a week treatment sessions of excrutiatingly painful shoulder manipulations necessary to get back my range of motion, plus arduous home exercises. I found it worse than natural childbirth. I was told that surgery is avoided unless really necessary. Adhesive capsulitis is the medical term for frozen shoulder, because micro-tears in the muscle fibers cause many small adhesins that have to be broken up by physical manipulation to restore range of motion.

 
Garth_baby_medium?1236240976 NELLE 1 post

I have had two shot in my arm since Dec and it still hurts to bad to go to therapy i go back to the Dr Tuesday to I guess hear him yell at me for therapy my arm has been out since Aug im tired of it and just want surgery what can I do? I also have had a cat scan that says I have a lateral tear in my shoulder blade ps ive been to two Orthopedic Drs

 
Icon_missing_medium Ultraclassic 1 post

Looks to me like they were on target. I had a frozen shoulder for quite while. My Ortho doctor sent me for a MRI and then to physical therapy after an injection. No progress after a month of intense therapy and the use of the Tens unit. I then had othroscoptic surgery on Jan 29th. Nothing was torn but some bone spurs were removed and decompression. Also had munipulation while under anesthesia. I am now on my 5th week of PT and have a full range of motion. Still have some pain and weakness but it gets better every day and I’m off all the pain meds.

 
Icon_missing_medium nygramma 3 posts

I’M WRITTING ABOUT THE LADY THAT HAD THE FROZEN SHOULDER. I HAD A SEVERLY FROZEN SHOULDER A FEW YEARS AGO. THE CORTIZONE SHOT DIDN’T WORK AND THE PAIN WAS CLEAR DOWN MY ARM. I WAS SENT TO PHSYICAL THERAPY WHERE THEY MANIPULATED MY SHOULDER AND I MEAN IT HURT SO BAD I WALKED OUT IN TEARS. I WENT THREE TIMES A WEEK AND ONLY AFTER THE MENIPULATION EACH TIME DID THEY USE THE MACHINE TO RELIEVE PAIN. I DIDN’T THINK THAT IT WOULD EVER GET BETTER BUT IT DID AND THEY SENT ME HOME WITH EXCERSIZES TO DO AT HOME. I FOUND AN EXCELLENT EXCERSIZE ALL BY MYSELF. JUST TAKE A 3# WEIGHT AND LAY ON THE BED AND HANG THE WEIGHT OFF THE BED. IT HURTS LIKE THE DICKENS BUT IT WORKS I DID THAT 10 TIMES THREE TIMES A WEEK. TODAY I CAN MOVE MY ARM WITH NO PAIN. I HAVE MY OTHER SHOULDER ACTING UP NOW BUT I DIDN’T NEED SURGERY THEN AND I DON’T NEED IT NOW. I JUST HAVE TO TAKE THE TIME TO DO MY EXCERSIZES AND IT WILL BE FINE TOO.SURGERY IS NOT ALWAYS THE ANSWER, GET A SECOND OPINION.

 
Icon_missing_medium breindel 2 posts

I had almost exactly the same experience that you did( except for the exercise that you found yourself). My other shoulder also bothers me a bit, mostly at nite.A cortisone shot also did absolutely nothing for me. My daughter was a physical therapy student at the time ,and she made sure I did my exercises. When she observed the pain I was in, she said<“Suck it up,mommy.”I told her her bedside manner left something to be desired!

 
Icon_missing_medium JoanE 3 posts

I also have had a frozen shoulder since December. The orthopedic surgeon who performed manipulation under anesthesia on my shoulder admitted that there is not a lot of evidence-based medicine or treatments for this rather mysterious disorder. He does not think cortizone shots are effective for frozen shoulder, and there are studies that back this up. The manipulation has given me good range of motion, but I still have a lot of pain and sleepless nights. It’s worth avoiding surgery for this, but they did not show a decompression, which is what seems to help. If you have frozen shoulder with a negative MRI, surgery should be the last resort.

 
Icon_missing_medium nygramma 3 posts

JOAN E IF YOUR STILL IN PAIN AND CAN’T SLEEP TRY MY EXCERSIZE. GET A 3# WEIGHT OR DUMB BELL OR ANYTHING THAT WEIGHS ABOUT THAT. LAY DOWN ON THE BED WITH THE ARM WITH THE FROZEN SHOULDER HANGING OVER THE BED. PUT THE WEIGHT IN YOUR HAND AND LET GRAVITY TAKE IT DOWN. IT WILL HURT LIKE THE DICKENS BUT IT WILL HELP. DO 10 OF THESE IF YOU CAN IF NOT START SLOW AND DO AS MANY AS POSSIBLE. LET IT HANG DOWN FOR AS LONG AS YOU CAN STAND IT. AFTER I DID THAT I TOOK IT AND BENT MY ELBOW AND MOVED IT BACK AND FORTH WITH MY ARM BENT AND RESTING ON THE BED. TRY TO DO 10 OF THOSE TOO. AFTER A COUPLE OF WEEKS OF DOING THIS 3 TIMES A WEEK YOUR PAIN SHOULD BE GONE.

 
100_3822_medium shellart 3 posts

I fell about four months ago and have been having shoulder and arm pain ever since. It has actually got worse the last two months. I went to the doctor and had a x-ray, which didn’t show anything. Yesterday, I decided to go to the ER to have it looked at because the pain was so bad and I could hardly move it. I recently lost my health insurance so I couldn’t go to a specialist. I was hoping they would do an MRI, yet they didn’t. The doctor (in training) that I saw hurt me so bad and it hasn’t stopped. I thought the idea was to gradually move your arm, yet the doctor took my arm and pulled it all the way up! I thought I was going to scream, I know I wanted to! I have been using it some so that it will not freeze-up. He gave me a list of excersizes to do with small weights, yet it said not to do them if you are in pain. I am confused and in pain, any suggestions?

 
Icon_missing_medium JoanE 3 posts

Hi Shellart,
You should really try to see a specialist. Some hospitals have orthopedic clinics. The ER doc did you no favors! There is conservative treatment for frozen shoulder, which is essentially just ibuprofen, ice or heat, and rest for the duration, then when the pain has subsided, start doing stretching exercises. There are some sites on the web that go into these. There are also several support groups. I like the yahoo group. Good luck.

 
Icon_missing_medium kconnor 1 post

Hi—would like to some opinions on frozen shoulder. I had surgery in Dec due to bursitas and bone spurs. Started PT and noticed alot of pinching with range of motion. This pinching never seemed to get better the more I went to PT. Doc just told me it was frozon shoulder. I’m glad on one standpoint that at least I know what the problem is. I will have pain come down my arm, almost into my biciep. Will also have pain in back (shoulder blade area) and neck. Not sure what to do here? Doc gave me cortisone shot, which I will probably not do again. I think it helped pain wise. But, I know this is a temp fix. He seemed to believe that PT would not help entirely either..that it takes time. He did give me the option of surgery, although not sure on that either. Has anyone on this forum had the surgery? If so, did they get better? I’ve already been dealing with shoulder issues for about a year now, and will not wait another 2 years for this to resolve itself. Thoughts?

 
Icon_missing_medium JoanE 3 posts

Hi – when FS starts following a surgery, it’s considered secondary FS. There’s a forum for this on shoulder1.com where there may be some folks with experience with this kind of FS. Good luck.

 
100_3822_medium shellart 3 posts

Hi, I am responding to the question about surgery. My dad had it about two years ago and couldn’t do anything for 6 weeks. It came back about a year later and he doesn’t recommend the surgery to me. I know it is very painful and I really haven’t found anything that truly helps. Sometimes, I take pain medicine when it gets really bad, although that is only a temp situation.

Good Luck to all of you!

 
100_3822_medium shellart 3 posts

Hi, I also wanted to thank Joan on her advice.

 
Icon_missing_medium katkos 1 post

Hey you FS sufferers..I am also recovering from a terrible bout of frozen shoulder with rotator cuff tears…I am a health care worker in Canada and have done repetitive lifting for years.  Frozen should came on rapidly and I can honestly say, it brought me to my knee’s with spasms that were debilatating.  I was going to physio therapy 3x per week and it got so bad that they had to stop because my arm wouldn’t move past my waist.  I was skeptical of acupunture, but figured, a few needles couldn’t possibly hurt more than what I was already going through.  The first time I had accupuncture I had 7 hours of no pain, the next time a whole day…and the third time my shoulder went into the “frozen stage”.  That was frustrating but the pain subsided. In Feb 2010 I had decompression and rotator cuff surgery.  It has been a hell of a ride, but it is now October and I can finally reach above my head, scratch my nose, do up my bra.  It isn’t perfect, but it is so much better than what I have had the past year or so.  I am now on the wait list for my other shoulder, it also needs decompression, frozen shoulder hasn’t set in yet but it is starting to feel like it is starting. I am terrified. I gave birth to 4 babies all 8 pounds and bigger and all natural….frozen shoulder topped that in the pain department.  It is horrible.  The sad part is, it is not that uncommon, but very few people have even heard of it and they just figure you have a stiff shoulder.  People need to be aware that when it is frozen..THAT is exactly what it is.. You can’t move it.  It is locked solid and excruiciatingly painful.  I recommend at least trying accupuncture. It did help alot for me.  I am still going to physio and massage therapy now for the left shoulder, just trying to regain the muscle. It is gone, but I am confident I will gain back it’s strength.  Now I have to deal with the right shoulder and surgery. I am on a wait list of 5 months.  I am 52 years old, not diabetic but have thyroid issues.  I have also already had both knee’s replaced 10 years ago too….SO i AM the real bionic woman.  LOL   that’s my story and I am sticking to it:))

Best wishes to all who suffer with Frozen Shoulder Syndrome!!





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